sid/stars

cyoo eddie · Post by **cyoo eddie** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 11:04 am

"[img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/huh.gif[/img] anyone know of a good site that explains sids/stars, I tried flying po602 from atlanta last night using vatsim, after sending my flight plan the controler asks me to amend it and send it back using the atlanta 5 departure,eaone. I have the charts, but it doesnt make much sense to me. I assume eaone is vor intersection, it has lat-long corodinates, so i must have to input them into the ins, then on to the next waypoint in the flight plan, am i correct in this, After an hour or so, I gave up and went to bed,, Ill try again tonight... ed mosier 1287 "

mlegein · Post by **mlegein** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 12:14 pm

"<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(cyoo eddie @ Jan 29 2006, 10:04 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'>[img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/huh.gif[/img] anyone know of a good site that explains sids/stars, I tried flying po602 from atlanta last night using vatsim, after sending my flight plan the controler asks me to amend it and send it back using the atlanta 5 departure,eaone. I have the charts, but it doesnt make much sense to me. I assume eaone is vor intersection, it has lat-long corodinates, so i must have to input them into the ins, then on to the next waypoint in the flight plan, am i correct in this, After an hour or so, I gave up and went to bed,, Ill try again tonight... ed mosier 1287 [right][snapback]6876[/snapback][/right] </div> Looking at the <a href='http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0513/00026ATLANTA.PDF' target='_blank'>ATLANTA FIVE</a> Departure, the East-One fix (EAONE) is at N33524-W083480 but also at 35 DME on the 065° Radial of the Atlanta VOR (116.9). I assume the controller wants you to leave the Atlanta area via the EAONE fix at 10,000 feet (unless instructed otherwise) and then proceed from there. "

yoni63 · Post by **yoni63** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 12:39 pm

"Sids and Stars? Well, I have not found a place that really explains them on the net. I do know that unless you have a really complex one, they are not very hard at all, they just look intimidating. I will look around on the net for you and see if I can find anything to help because trying to tell you on here would be really hard. Remember, there will usually be something accompanying the map portion of the sid or star that is like a narrative. That part explains everything that the particular approach or departure plate wants you to do. Ok, went and found a site I think you might benefit from on this subject.. Go to this site, once there, look down just a little not far on the page you will see some selections on lessons. Anyhow, click on the SIDS or STARS and you will get a window that gives a wealth of info and basically takes you through the whole process. Let me know how it helps you. If not I am sure there is a way we can help you understand them. Here's the site: <a href='http://www.maxfreightva.com/training.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.maxfreightva.com/training.htm</a>"

cyoo eddie · Post by **cyoo eddie** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 6:25 pm

"[img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohmy.gif[/img] Ok, guys, thanx for the info, its clear as mud now.... [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif[/img] Now I understand why the 742 need 3 man crew, there is lots to do in a very short time.... I will try the flight again tonight..... ed mosier 1287"

yoni63 · Post by **yoni63** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 3:39 am

"Ed, did you get anywhere by checking out that site? I hope it helps you somehow, I know those things look intimidating, but usually you are only really interested in one leg of the approach chart anyway and it shows several ways inbound, so don't let that get you flustered. Just pick your point of entry into the STAR and fly it like it was the only one that existed. Just keep your altitude and speed restrictions and you'll be fine."

mlegein · Post by **mlegein** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 9:35 am

"<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(yoni63 @ Jan 30 2006, 02:39 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'>Ed, did you get anywhere by checking out that site? I hope it helps you somehow, I know those things look intimidating, but usually you are only really interested in one leg of the approach chart anyway and it shows several ways inbound, so don't let that get you flustered. Just pick your point of entry into the STAR and fly it like it was the only one that existed. Just keep your altitude and speed restrictions and you'll be fine. [right][snapback]6884[/snapback][/right] </div> The link doesn't seem to work and Ed is having trouble with a SID, not a STAR, in this particular case."

cyoo eddie · Post by **cyoo eddie** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 10:25 am

"[img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohmy.gif[/img] Bryan, Michal, the link helped, only read up on the sid right now. I didnt think it sould be as complex as I thought. Had the flight all set up last night, flight plan cleared, going down the runway, thinking, ok, Im going to do this, 80, knots.... 120, hope i got enough runway, this thing is heavy, 140, v1, ok vr rotate, then power goes out, oops.. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif[/img] ed mosier 1287"

hawkeyeted · Post by **hawkeyeted** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 10:46 am

"I recommend that you go to the <a href='http://www.vatusa.org' target='_blank'>VATUSA</a> website, then navigate to the <a href='http://ztlartcc.org/' target='_blank'>Atlanta FIR</a> webpage. There you will find the specific way that they expect you to depart ATL on the ATL5 departure. In my experience with departures named after the departing airport (i.e. LAXX 5, Atlanta 5, Kennedy 9, O'Hare 1, etc.) are usually vectored anyway and are very easy to follow. After takeoff, the tower will just give you vectors to intercept the first fix. In the case of the Atlanta 5 departure, after takeoff, accelerate to 250 kts and climb to 10,000 ft as soon as practical, unless the controller gives you different instructions."

maj · Post by **maj** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 10:32 pm

"<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(cyoo eddie @ Jan 29 2006, 10:04 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'>[img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/huh.gif[/img] anyone know of a good site that explains sids/stars, I tried flying po602 from atlanta last night using vatsim, after sending my flight plan the controler asks me to amend it and send it back using the atlanta 5 departure,eaone. I have the charts, but it doesnt make much sense to me. I assume eaone is vor intersection, it has lat-long corodinates, so i must have to input them into the ins, then on to the next waypoint in the flight plan, am i correct in this, After an hour or so, I gave up and went to bed,, Ill try again tonight... ed mosier 1287 [right][snapback]6876[/snapback][/right] </div> Ed, as far as a site that explains sids/stars, use the ones the other guys mentioned. I fly out of ATL a lot and use the ATL5 departure and the EAONE intersection all the time for PO602. The controllers will vector you to intercept the 065* radial outbound from the ATL VOR. Fly that radial until 35 DME and you will be at EAONE. Usually the next waypoint in my flightplan is SPA VOR, which I use as my first waypoint in the INS. So I navigate to SPA the old-fashioned way before switching on the INS. When we get the -400F in the fleet we will be able to use some of the newer DP's such as DAWGS and DOOLY, without having to input all the Lat/Lon's by hand. Hope this sheds a little light on this Departure:)"

yoni63 · Post by **yoni63** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 3:28 am

"I gotta admit, that site is probably the only one that I have seen that makes it so easy to understand. There is another site that allows you to just monitor MACEY arrival at KATL, I will try to find the link to it. Its pretty cool, I think someone had it posted on here once. Great training tool. Try going to this site: <a href='http://www.atcmonitor.com/' target='_blank'>http://www.atcmonitor.com/</a> You might have to do some tweaking to your player, but once you get set up, listen to this and you can even watch the radar screen. It is very educational on the STAR end of things."

cyoo eddie · Post by **cyoo eddie** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 9:14 am

"[img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif[/img] Thanx for the tips guys, The biggest problem I have with rfp and globe cargo is it is getting so addictive, i mean, when I first joined I was just trying to log lots of hours, now starting to get up to speed on vatsim, using the ins, etc etc, one really does need to load up the plane about 1 hour before departure, and trying to do everything by the book and figure it all out on the fly , so to speak. With about 30 minutes from gate departure to cruise altuitude, then about 1 hour for tod to the gate, plus whatever time it takes at cruise, you can have lots of time on one flight alone, and when flight keeper crashes or fs crashes or just an old fashioned power failure it can be very annoying... Anyway, im going to attempt po602, katl to egpk tonight for a third time, wish me luck... ed mosier 1287 ps, what does it mean, when you start to refer to airports by their code...."

yoni63 · Post by **yoni63** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 1:44 am

"Not sure what you mean, but thinking maybe the ICAO code? Like Tulsa International is KTUL Dallas Ft Worth is KDFW? Is that what you mean?"

chevol · Post by **chevol** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 6:07 am

"I am with you Ed, yes we are a crazy bunch! but as long as we do not attempt to rotate at 150nm on the motorway, while driving, it is not too bad.... may be we can buy patches, like the nicotine ones, to become less addicted! Have good flights and good fun cheers, Luc [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif[/img]"

cyoo eddie · Post by **cyoo eddie** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 10:53 pm

"[img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohmy.gif[/img] Bryan, what I mean is when you say to your spouse, ""It is too expensive to fly out of cyyz, so I booked your flight from kbuf to kavl through katl"" She looked at me a little funny after that one.... ed mosier 1287"

yoni63 · Post by **yoni63** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 2:02 am

"<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(cyoo eddie @ Feb 1 2006, 09:53 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>[img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohmy.gif[/img] Bryan, what I mean is when you say to your spouse, ""It is too expensive to fly out of cyyz, so I booked your flight from kbuf to kavl through katl"" She looked at me a little funny after that one.... ed mosier 1287 [right][snapback]6920[/snapback][/right] </div> I am just sitting here laughing my butt off on that one!!!!! [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif[/img]"