Lost above KIAH
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Lost above KIAH
hi guys,
just as i thought i was getting the hang of flying the RFP747-200 at least on short medium flights i arrived over KIAH last night and got totally lost in very choppy conditions and almost nil visibility during descent as i was coming in from the NW on a RIICE2 arrival i passed over RIICE at 10000ft which was the last waypoint on my INS and more or less decended straight in for rwy 15R,i had NAV1 on iLS freq 111.15 and NAV2 on 116.6(IAH)VOR and was looking forward to my first decent IMC condition landing in the RFP742 using AUTOLAND but as you see from the picture only the VOR2 needle is pointing to the VOR,this pic was taken on 2nd or 3rd pass thats why course direction are set 085/327 for rwy 8,9,33R as i was searching to see if any off there ILS moved the pointer it was only then it dawned on me the VOR needle doesnt move when tuned into the ILS freq.
anyway the time spent circling lost was spent reading up on the autoland and i realised i wasnt switching both my nav radios to the ILS freq which then lets you select the second autopilot and also nav sw to LAND.touchdown was a little hard but im happy that i just got it to work
Touchdown
the most green announicator lights i have seen yet on the 742
Finally made it
one final point its nice to see that RFP simulates turbulence a bit better when connected to ASE than the PMDG744 does at it or is it just FS9 that does it better than FSX?
and no further pirep errors
regards terry
just as i thought i was getting the hang of flying the RFP747-200 at least on short medium flights i arrived over KIAH last night and got totally lost in very choppy conditions and almost nil visibility during descent as i was coming in from the NW on a RIICE2 arrival i passed over RIICE at 10000ft which was the last waypoint on my INS and more or less decended straight in for rwy 15R,i had NAV1 on iLS freq 111.15 and NAV2 on 116.6(IAH)VOR and was looking forward to my first decent IMC condition landing in the RFP742 using AUTOLAND but as you see from the picture only the VOR2 needle is pointing to the VOR,this pic was taken on 2nd or 3rd pass thats why course direction are set 085/327 for rwy 8,9,33R as i was searching to see if any off there ILS moved the pointer it was only then it dawned on me the VOR needle doesnt move when tuned into the ILS freq.
anyway the time spent circling lost was spent reading up on the autoland and i realised i wasnt switching both my nav radios to the ILS freq which then lets you select the second autopilot and also nav sw to LAND.touchdown was a little hard but im happy that i just got it to work
Touchdown
the most green announicator lights i have seen yet on the 742
Finally made it
one final point its nice to see that RFP simulates turbulence a bit better when connected to ASE than the PMDG744 does at it or is it just FS9 that does it better than FSX?
and no further pirep errors
regards terry
Re: Lost above KIAH
Great Terry
I just did one aswell to see if I could remember how. To recap.....
Obviously do the approach and land checks.
Set up for ILS and Localiser Capture for Nav 1. (check capture altitude, ILS frequency and Runway heading). Leave Nav 2 on airport (or specific VOR) frequency, - for distance and direction reference if necessary.
When Localiser captured, set Nav 2 on ILS and Course to Rwy. Heading.
Set ILS on AP command selector, VOR selector should jump to DUAL
Monitor and wait for Glidescope capture.
After confirmed Glidescope Capture,and still above 1500' AGL select LAND on AP command selector.
Make sure everything is set and stays on (For some reason my Flight Director went off at this point but I could reset it OK)
At 1500 ft AGL "FLARE" should appear in Orange
DON'T FORGET TO CLOSE THE THROTTLES BEFORE TOUCH DOWN (Speed still controlled by Auto-throttles)
At about 50 ft FLARE goes green and activates.
For some reason it drifted right before TD.
Reverse selected whilst straightening it up. (Autobrakes had been set to MIN before)
And yes FS9 always seemed to work better with ASE, I don't think it is FSX that is the problem but there are some problems with the PMDG 744s with it and ASE.
John
I just did one aswell to see if I could remember how. To recap.....
Obviously do the approach and land checks.
Set up for ILS and Localiser Capture for Nav 1. (check capture altitude, ILS frequency and Runway heading). Leave Nav 2 on airport (or specific VOR) frequency, - for distance and direction reference if necessary.
When Localiser captured, set Nav 2 on ILS and Course to Rwy. Heading.
Set ILS on AP command selector, VOR selector should jump to DUAL
Monitor and wait for Glidescope capture.
After confirmed Glidescope Capture,and still above 1500' AGL select LAND on AP command selector.
Make sure everything is set and stays on (For some reason my Flight Director went off at this point but I could reset it OK)
At 1500 ft AGL "FLARE" should appear in Orange
DON'T FORGET TO CLOSE THE THROTTLES BEFORE TOUCH DOWN (Speed still controlled by Auto-throttles)
At about 50 ft FLARE goes green and activates.
For some reason it drifted right before TD.
Reverse selected whilst straightening it up. (Autobrakes had been set to MIN before)
And yes FS9 always seemed to work better with ASE, I don't think it is FSX that is the problem but there are some problems with the PMDG 744s with it and ASE.
John
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Re: Lost above KIAH
nice pics john explains the procedure very well
good to see others flying the old bird
it was the setting NAV2 to ILS course that was getting me,
noticed that it seems to touchdown fairly hard though think i will use it but maybe disconnect the autopilot at DH at flare manually next time see how that goes
regards terry
good to see others flying the old bird
it was the setting NAV2 to ILS course that was getting me,
noticed that it seems to touchdown fairly hard though think i will use it but maybe disconnect the autopilot at DH at flare manually next time see how that goes
regards terry
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Re: Lost above KIAH
correct me if i am wrong but is the 747-200 not only rated as a CATII ILS aircraft and is not certified for full CATIII landings anyway?
im sure i read that somewhere
regards terry
im sure i read that somewhere
regards terry
Re: Lost above KIAH
Thanks Terry
I.ve just updated the captions a bit.
I don't think they use the Autoland very often, - that is the real ones, - as you say, disconnect the automatics and flare manually.
Just be carefull as sometimes we used to get a situation where the throttles would not work correctly after disconnecting. We got only one working, or sudden full power and other strange things. I suggest you disconnect the auto-throttles before briefly to check.
This seemed to happen a bit mainly after a long flight.
John
I.ve just updated the captions a bit.
I don't think they use the Autoland very often, - that is the real ones, - as you say, disconnect the automatics and flare manually.
Just be carefull as sometimes we used to get a situation where the throttles would not work correctly after disconnecting. We got only one working, or sudden full power and other strange things. I suggest you disconnect the auto-throttles before briefly to check.
This seemed to happen a bit mainly after a long flight.
John
Re: Lost above KIAH
I think that is true, even now, as you must have at least two independant GPS based nav. systems with at least two fully coupling 3 axis autopilots to make Cat 111.
This also applies for the STARS as they have to be flown very accurately.
The Nav system requirements also apply when flying the NAV tracks across tha Atlantic and Pacific. They have to install removable ones for ferry flights if they are not already on the aircraft.
John
This also applies for the STARS as they have to be flown very accurately.
The Nav system requirements also apply when flying the NAV tracks across tha Atlantic and Pacific. They have to install removable ones for ferry flights if they are not already on the aircraft.
John
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Re: Lost above KIAH
thanks for that tip john
im hoping to fly from EDDM/OMDB tomorrow if i get time so will watch out the throttle problem once or if i reach OMDB
regards terry
im hoping to fly from EDDM/OMDB tomorrow if i get time so will watch out the throttle problem once or if i reach OMDB
regards terry
Re: Lost above KIAH
OK Have fun.
I would like to do one with you but our times might be a bit different as I am UTC + 10
John
I would like to do one with you but our times might be a bit different as I am UTC + 10
John
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Re: Lost above KIAH
thanks john will do,
maybe we could arrange a flight over the xmas period together and try and work out times that might suit us both even rope in a few other pilots from globe
i tend to fly a lot late a night anyway so will try an work something out
see you up there
regards terry
maybe we could arrange a flight over the xmas period together and try and work out times that might suit us both even rope in a few other pilots from globe
i tend to fly a lot late a night anyway so will try an work something out
see you up there
regards terry
Re: Lost above KIAH
We used to have great group flights when we only had the 742s. There were only a few of us here too at that time. It would be good to do again but unfortunately the time differences and everyday living gets in the way. I would like to try for one sometime. I will have a 6 days on, 6 days off roster from next month so we should be able to organise something.
Do you have Skype? mine is john.khan2
John
Do you have Skype? mine is john.khan2
John
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Re: Lost above KIAH
no i dont have skype john sorry,
i will pm you my email i dont fancy getting even more emails about penis enlargement etc than i already get
i have been to one event in the time that i have been here really enjoyed it although there was only three globe pilots there but there hasnt been one since
mabe one of the site admin will see this and organise a xmas event if not we will do it ourselves
i work as a self employed electrician so am flexible to a point
regards terry
i will pm you my email i dont fancy getting even more emails about penis enlargement etc than i already get
i have been to one event in the time that i have been here really enjoyed it although there was only three globe pilots there but there hasnt been one since
mabe one of the site admin will see this and organise a xmas event if not we will do it ourselves
i work as a self employed electrician so am flexible to a point
regards terry
Re: Lost above KIAH
That's why I always land manually. I just can't let myself trust the computer to do it