EHAM ROUTES

dave colavecchio · Post by **dave colavecchio** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 3:31 pm

EHAM-EGPK: AMGOD UL602 NALAX UL46 HALIF UN590 MARGO TRN1D EGPK EHAM-OMDB: HMM UL620 CND UL851 ERZ UA4 VAN UG81 BONAM G781 UMH UL223 LAM DESDI DESD4V OMDB

Ben Hunwicks · Post by **Ben Hunwicks** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 1:23 pm

"Unfortunately neither of those plans are valid, so I will get some correct ones when I can get onto my PC again."

mvm · Post by **mvm** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 3:06 pm

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"Ben Hunwicks" wrote:Unfortunately neither of those plans are valid, so I will get some correct ones when I can get onto my PC again.

How are they not valid?"

dave colavecchio · Post by **dave colavecchio** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 5:46 pm

"Okay Ben- My plans come from Arinc Direct, a professional fllight planning system I use to send a Global Express, G-IV, and Falcon 200EX-Easy all over the world. Humor me by telling me A. why they are invalid and B. where you get your superior flight plans. I don't claim the plans I get are the best - but they are valid and are meant solely for those who want flight planning to be a little easier...on a personal note Ben- your comments in this forum over the past month about pilot id's on vatsim, my flight plans, and your snarky comment in your signature about our space program make you sound quite stressed for a guy of your age and aviation experience. This is supposed to be fun. Relax!"

hawkeyeted · Post by **hawkeyeted** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:58 pm

I'm glad I wasn't the only one thinking it.................And somebody had to say it.

cyoo eddie · Post by **cyoo eddie** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 9:23 pm

"I too would like to know what makes these plans invalid? I plugged both into fsbuild, and they seem to get you from were you are to were you want to be... please explain ....

also, were do we find the information on the multi million dollar pen, i would like to check that out..."

Post by **esurfman** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 10:13 pm

"Ed, the pen and pencil is an urban myth. http://www.snopes.com/business/genius/spacepen.asp"

Ben Hunwicks · Post by **Ben Hunwicks** » Fri Sep 29, 2006 11:44 am

"EHAM-EGPK is fairly simple, and just a difference between US and European way of doing things. It's just BERGI instead of AMGOD as BERGI is the SID terminator (BERGI UL602..) For EHAM-OMDB, you are using some high level restricted airspace over central Turkey, meaning the aircraft would have to be below FL285 for a few hundred miles. EHAM ARNEM UL620 CND UL851 TBN UP146 ARI UT30 DASIS UL223 LAM G666 DESDI OMDB negotiates this without any level restrictions, and also uses the correct arrival route from Iranian to UAE airspace to approach Dubai (must use the G666 airways between LAm and DESDI).

"dave colavecchio" wrote:My plans come from Arinc Direct, a professional fllight planning system I use to send a Global Express, G-IV, and Falcon 200EX-Easy all over the world. Humor me by telling me A. why they are invalid

Both fail CFMU validation, so ARINC wouldn't in fact be able to file either of those as they would be rejected by the system."

dave colavecchio · Post by **dave colavecchio** » Fri Sep 29, 2006 7:40 pm

"Few problems Ben - according to Jeppesen Middle East 1 and 2 charts, UT30 disregards ARI - then you get altitude restrictions near UL851 before Trabzon, TBN. UP146 doesn't even exist between TBN and ARI according to Jeppesen? I'm not saying you aren't correct, but Jeppesen charts are jiving with ya?"

Brogs · Post by **Brogs** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 7:19 am

What happened to the FUN part of this Hobby Guys?? Mike

dave colavecchio · Post by **dave colavecchio** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 9:06 am

You're right Mike- my head hurts!

Post by **esurfman** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 4:19 pm

WHAT??? It's suppose to be fun???

Just kidding...