Possible Pinnacle Strike

[nwadc10]

what was your TT Justin when u got hired?

1060 total. Much more than over half my class. One of the little bastards had 300 total time and was already bitching about the job before we were out of class. To me, he hasn't earned the right to bitch. Sorry for the language but it's very aggrevating when "newbies" to aviation act like that. I have been flying for 10 years now. I would consider myself a newbie yet considering how many pilots have been flying years and years more than I and have thousands of hours more time than I do. It didn't help that he and over half my class went to a certain college where they are trained to think they are the best pilots. I flew with a captain for the last two weeks who had nothing good to say about pilots from that particular school.

[nwadc10]

or customer service rep at your local cell phone company,

That's a unique example, there must be a story there LOL

[yoni63]

LOL, actually no, I was thinking... We have the AT&T call center in my jurisdiction and I see many people go and come from that area. They never look much like they are happy. When I get to thinking about being tired or unthankful for what I have in a career, I just go take a drive by the AT&T lot at their shift change and it kind of humbles me.

[yoni63]

what was your TT Justin when u got hired?

1060 total. Much more than over half my class. One of the little bastards had 300 total time and was already bitching about the job before we were out of class. To me, he hasn't earned the right to bitch. Sorry for the language but it's very aggrevating when "newbies" to aviation act like that. I have been flying for 10 years now. I would consider myself a newbie yet considering how many pilots have been flying years and years more than I and have thousands of hours more time than I do. It didn't help that he and over half my class went to a certain college where they are trained to think they are the best pilots. I flew with a captain for the last two weeks who had nothing good to say about pilots from that particular school.

Ok.... Hang on just a sec! 300 TT? You mean as in the 300 right after the 299 and just before 301? Hmmm, now I am going to start bitching about my job again!!!! I thought you had to at least have more than that. Now I am thinking again!

Holy Crap! I better jump in the car and go drive by that AT&T place a couple of times!!!!

[Jamal_Pratt]

what was your TT Justin when u got hired?

1060 total. Much more than over half my class. One of the little bastards had 300 total time and was already bitching about the job before we were out of class. To me, he hasn't earned the right to bitch. Sorry for the language but it's very aggrevating when "newbies" to aviation act like that. I have been flying for 10 years now. I would consider myself a newbie yet considering how many pilots have been flying years and years more than I and have thousands of hours more time than I do. It didn't help that he and over half my class went to a certain college where they are trained to think they are the best pilots. I flew with a captain for the last two weeks who had nothing good to say about pilots from that particular school.

Ok.... Hang on just a sec! 300 TT? You mean as in the 300 right after the 299 and just before 301? Hmmm, now I am going to start bitching about my job again!!!! I thought you had to at least have more than that. Now I am thinking again!

Holy Crap! I better jump in the car and go drive by that AT&T place a couple of times!!!!

Hah im not surprised i got two words for you Pilot Shortage. Ive seen American Eagle on of the regionals with the highest minimums go from

1000/100 to
800/100 to
700/100 now they are at
500/50

and i heard MESA is so desperate they even considered hiring guys with DUI's lmao

i think im gunna start sending resume's out seriously..

[Mike Schmitt]

Piedmont I believe advertises a Commercial and Multi and you could get an interview. Granted doesn't mean a job but an interview is awful close... Would love to see the wash out rate.

[cyoo eddie]

Jamal, im not saying new hires and seasoned pilots should not get more money, indeed anyone that has gone through years of training and dedication and taking on that kind of responsibility should get paid accordingly.
But airlines are not run by pilots, they are run by bean counters as in all large corporations, and they have to answer to shareholders who want to see profits, or they sell their stocks and move on.
Not fair at all, but that is the way it is these days. In fact, I am amazed that the airlines are doing better these days than they did after that 9-11 attack.

I think that the majority of the people that fly as passengers are very nervous about flying, and it will only take another 9-11 or similar to knock the legs out from under the airline industry again, and you will have pilots and crews looking for other jobs again.

and i heard MESA is so desperate they even considered hiring guys with DUI's lmao

the day may come when illegals will be given ATP licences instead of drivers licenses

[Jamal_Pratt]

Piedmont I believe advertises a Commercial and Multi and you could get an interview. Granted doesn't mean a job but an interview is awful close... Would love to see the wash out rate.

Yeah mike when TSA dropped there min ti comm/multi the washout rate was somthing like 80% SCARY

[eek]

This strike thing is hyped up much more than it should be. All we did was take a strike authorization vote to give the union that option if it ever gets to that point. The strike vote was done now to send a message to management that it's time to quit stalling and get the new contract done. We can't legally strike yet and it will probably be months before something as serious as a strike will happen. There are no plans for a strike as of yet.

Pay is horrible in the regional airline's. Some are much better than others. Pinnacle is towards the bottom. A manager/supervisor at McDonald's literally makes more than I do, flying 50 people around in a jet. The new contract will improve FO pay for second year by about 25% which is argueably still lower than industry average. There are work rules that need fixing in the contract as well. But, there are two things you can do: whine and complain until you hate your job that you once wanted so bad, or you can forget about the BS and realize you are pretty fortunate to fly a jet and get paid for it. I tend to follow the latter because I've seen way too many bitter airline pilots and I always remarked to myself that they don't realize how lucky they are. With that being said, I don't think the industry should remain a poor employer like it is...things have to improve or the airlines will be hurting...they already are.

Justin i agreed with everthing you said until u said this "whine and complain until you hate your job that you once wanted so bad, or you can forget about the BS and realize you are pretty fortunate to fly a jet and get paid for it. I tend to follow the latter because I've seen way too many bitter airline pilots and I always remarked to myself that they don't realize how lucky they are"

this is the reason y our pay is so low SJ syndrome..Management see pilots are willing to work for near damn minimum wage just because flying a Jet is cool when it's all said and done it's a JOB a J.O.B, JOB we all know how it feels to pay a ton of money on that new shiney toy only to find out over time its not as appealing as it use to be..it will happen i dont care what anybody say QUALITY OF LIFE vs SHINEY JET i choose Quality of life..

Sorry, Jamal. I think you need to reread Justin's words. Lots of wisdom, there.

Justin's pay is low, because that's an entry level job. The idea is to gain experience so he can move to a better job later. That's called paying your dues. Common in most industries. Not only is it an entry level job, but there are an assload of guys willing to do it for chump change. That's market forces. That's how it works in a capitalist economy. It isn't knowledge or necessarily responsibility that determines wages. It's market forces. Demand. How many guys at GC would be in the airline industry if they could? Many of us aren't, because it's a hard industry to break into. Why? Because there are plenty of people to fill the demand. Justin's doing a job that many of us only dream of. He's paid accordingly.

so if as a truck driver i make more money and spend more time at home.. so be it screw the shiney Jet....

Since I'm a trucker, let me bust your teary eyed dreams of a trucker's life. I log 70 hours a week, I only get paid for about 50 hours of it, then I work another 8-10 hours I don't log. For 7 days worth of efforts, most truckers earn 1 day off. Methinks pilots see home a bit more.
More money? Sure, on the front end. But, bottom line, I'm making as much as I will ever make. If I move "up". I can be a dispatcher, working almost as many hours for less money, and commute 65 miles across Atlanta, each way, every day. Some future.... Not to mention I sleep in truck stops, breathe diesel fumes all day, eat crappy, artery clogging food and people treat me like a turd in a t-shirt.

A couple of other GCers are FORMER truckers. There's your sign.
At 43, if I had it to do all over again, I'd take the shitty pilot job, thank you. (pardon my French)

as pilots i dont think we complain enough because in managements eyes all they need to do is put a toy in our hands pay us what they think we are worth and we just sit there and accept it...

You're paid what you're worth and if you don't accept it, I have a DOT medical card, and I will.

GREEDY MANAGEMENT + SJS = PISS POOR PILOT PAY

LACK OF LIFE EXPERIENCE + INADEQUATE GOVERNMENT "EDUCATION" = UNREALISTIC EXPECTATIONS

The management you refer to as "greedy", are doing their jobs, keeping costs down by not paying hot shot pilots more than they're worth. That's capitalism. (I'm a capitalist pig). Capitalism is the reason America is less than 6% of the world's population, but more than 25% of the world's economy. While not perfect, it is certainly the most efficient system man has devised for resource distributution and wealth creation.

As for the unionization you apparently support in a most mindless mannner, I think you should realize that unions, though at one time, probably were useful, are an anachronism that cost modern day workers jobs. I know, I lost my last printing job (along with 125 other people) as the result of a union (the end of a 17 year career). That's why I'm a trucker, now. In the age of the internet, the interstate and U-Hauls, there is no need for unions, and no excuse for letting an employer dump all over you. Legalized extortion is not the answer to your ills and is a detriment to the very system, from which you benefit... to the point you sit behind a pc and lament to a global audience, the abysmal conditions of people doing something most people only dream of.

Sorry to bust your nads, Jamal. I see a lot of youth, inexperince and naivete' in your post. As other posters have hinted, attitude is key. You need to understand, if you work for someone else, you play by their rules. On top of that, no one ever got rich, working for someone else.

If you are truly comcerned with quality of life, perhaps you should start your own airline. Then you could be paid what you're worth, work your own hours, and pay these other pilots what you think they are worth. Then come back here and tell me I'm full of it. /rant

... now I'm in trouble with management....