Almost a crash!

DOmiHausen · Post by **DOmiHausen** » Sun Mar 02, 2008 4:03 pm

What do you all say about this?
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ddb_1204404185

I think the pilot could have done better!

yoni63 · Post by **yoni63** » Sun Mar 02, 2008 4:27 pm

I would hate to second guess that go-around. Looked like a good save. Only question in my mind is why he might not want to choose an alternate in those extreme cross winds.

BTW, if you don't mind be sure and sign your posts so we know whos who. We've had some spam infiltrators in the past.

DOmiHausen · Post by **DOmiHausen** » Sun Mar 02, 2008 4:30 pm

There u have it

yoni63 · Post by **yoni63** » Sun Mar 02, 2008 4:45 pm

Thanks Bruno, that way we can also put a name with the post.

Post by **esurfman** » Sun Mar 02, 2008 7:52 pm

Not an easy job for sure...

khelm · Post by **khelm** » Sun Mar 02, 2008 10:39 pm

From what I heard on A.net, the all of Germany was engulfed in a severe storm that day, so their alternates may have had the same/worse. Great save with little damage from what I can see. Top notch.

DOmiHausen · Post by **DOmiHausen** » Sun Mar 02, 2008 11:10 pm

I mean it in terms of aligning the airplane with the runway. I was thought to lower the into-wind wing and use the rudder to remain aligned with the runway centerline. The pilot does it but much too late I think and when he does it the plane yaws much to the right... then finally the wing to the left ... or lets say.. too much to the left. Anyway... I dont say I would do better but I must say it wasnt certainly a good job.

Post by **nwadc10** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 1:13 am

khelm wrote:From what I heard on A.net, the all of Germany was engulfed in a severe storm that day, so their alternates may have had the same/worse. Great save with little damage from what I can see. Top notch.

Then maybe they shouldn't have commenced the flight at all. As the saying goes..."it's better to be on the ground wishing you were in the air than in the air wishing you were on the ground", as I'm sure that crew and pax were.

If this was the wx at all available alternates the crew left themselves no "out" to the situation which is rule #1 for any aviator. They put themselves, their pax, and the aircraft at unnecessary risk just for the sake of completion factor. Poor planning in my opinion if what you say a.netters said is indeed true about the wx.

PetriSuni · Post by **PetriSuni** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 4:08 am

There is an old saying in my own language, which (translated freely to English) goes something like "A skillful man can get out of a situation, in which a wise man never even gets into". I think it fits here pretty well...

mvm · Post by **mvm** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 10:18 am

DOmiHausen wrote:I mean it in terms of aligning the airplane with the runway. I was thought to lower the into-wind wing and use the rudder to remain aligned with the runway centerline. The pilot does it but much too late I think and when he does it the plane yaws much to the right... then finally the wing to the left ... or lets say.. too much to the left. Anyway... I dont say I would do better but I must say it wasnt certainly a good job.

Thats one huge difference between the airbus and boeing,the airbus flight control "laws" will not allow cross control.

rossspargo · Post by **rossspargo** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 5:23 am

Im sure this is the same clip that was on News @ 10 last night

yoni63 · Post by **yoni63** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 8:07 am

I think so, someone said it was a Lufthansa flight. If so, their pilots don't just get to become pilots by the lottery or something. They have a rep these days of being very good, or so I was told.

Chris Yates · Post by **Chris Yates** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 1:14 pm

I think it's all very easy for us to sit here and speculate on what caused it and who was at fault. Ultimately the buck stops with the Captain, but we don't know what he did or didn't take into account in making the decision to make an approach and what other options he had available to him. However, I'm sure the report will make interesting reading. The incident has certainly made me think about my own personal limitations in my own flying.

cyoo eddie · Post by **cyoo eddie** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 2:24 pm

it is very difficult to judge in a video distances and angles and conditions, airliners crab into airports all the time, so that is not unusual,
it appears to me that a gust of wind may have caught him as he came out of the crab, or maybe he came out of it a little early, hard to tell.
The important thing is the pilots did their job.

Reminds me of last october, my brother and I were flying into vancouver from toronto, the weather was not so good, could not see any mountains at all, just clouds till around 2500 feet or so on approch, you could see the ground. There must have been a windshear somewere because as we were decending on the glideslope, we suddenly dropped a considerable distance, 500' at least, feet or so, seems like the plane would not stop. People screamed and stuff fell out of the overheads....

We did a go around and a hold for 30 minutes out over the bay till things cleared up over the field. The second time we landed without incident.
My brother who is a retired air canada captain said that in all his years of flying, he never experienced a drop as bad as that.

I asked him why he had to wait until I was with him to experience that kind of a drop....

I also told him that if we were in a Boeing instead of an Airbus, we never would have dropped.

yoni63 · Post by **yoni63** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 5:22 pm

Saw a pretty good article on this today. The pilot is being praised for his quick thinking. The report said the left wing did touch the runway slightly. I could have without a doubt done better of course with all my FS experience I'm sure.