GTI606 - Flight Planning and Takeoff
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GTI606 - Flight Planning and Takeoff
Hi everyone!
Yesterday I took the N409MC (a -400F) from KHSV (Huntsville, AL) to Quito, Ecuador. Flight was uneventful; the air was very smooth along the way and the approach and landing was by the book; a firm touchdown and slow deceleration. After the landing, ECAM checks showed the brakes are not fried and a walk around assured that there are no bent metal. We're still one piece, the Boss should be pleased.
So I grabbed the return flight too and in return of this "fictional charter" favor, I'd like to share some shots of the return trip and the data.
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Let's start with some basic information and work from there. Our flight information package;
Flight No.: GTI606 Expire on: 2008-10-31 Payload: 134145
Tail # N409MC
Parcels & Fwd Freight 14 skids / Perishables 11 skids / Mfg'd goods 8 skids.
Shipper: UPS-SCS / DHL Global Fwdg.
2130nm. ***(Actual Atlas Flight)***
Our flight number is GTI606 and we're returning with the same ship that took us here. The payload figure seems rather high for Quito but we'll work on it. At least we don't have any weird stuff like live animals to take special care of in the back.
Let's check the weather and performance data for today's flight. First of our departure field;
SEQU 33010KT 9999 BKN040 BKN100 17/09 Q1025 NOSIG -> A lovely day at Quito. 17C Degrees, good visibility. Some clouds at 4000' above field elevation and winds are favoring the use of Rwy 35 for takeoff.
A quick check at TOPCAT gives the following performance data:
At 17C, our maximum takeoff weight is limited by 297.6 tonnes. Let's do some math:
165087kg Dry Operating Weight (Incl crew and the stuff) and 60847kg Planned Payload for this flight gives us a Zero Fuel Weight of 225.9 t, well below of our MZF..
Let's subtract our planned ZFW from MTOW and see how much fuel we could use; 297.6 - 225.9 = 71.7 tonnes of usable fuel load. Let's see if we can pull this of with 71.7 tonnes.
FSBuild Flight Plan Weight/Fuel stuff
I elected to use Birmingham (KBHM) as our destination alternate, as it seems the only field with a long rwy in close vicinity. So before our routing talk, it looks like we'll need 66.5 tonnes of fuel for this flight.
Let's add this figure on top of our planned ZFW; 225.9 + 66.5 = 292.4 tonnes. This will be our takeoff weight, very close to today's MTOW of 297.6 tonnes. It seems we're right on the edge, compliments to the Boss Let's check our arrival and alternate METARs and give the loadmaster a go.
Huntsville:
KHSV 09010KT 10SM FEW045 BKN100 OVC250 28/15 A3005 -> It looks like we'll practice a little crosswind landing, other than that there is nothing particularly needs attention. Let's take a look on our alternate:
Birmingham:
KBHM 05012KT 4SM -RA BR BKN020 22/21 A3001 -> A humid day; dewpoint close to the temprature so it's misty. Visibility is not too bad if we consider the situation, some clouds at 2000 feet AFE, making some summer rain. Not the greatest alternate but shouldn't be a problem. Anyway, we'll be checking it's progress as we make our way up north.
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Finally, we give a thumbs up to the loadmaster and he starts doing his thing, our planned departure time is 1600Z.
1430Z: N409MC at Quito, loading is still in progress.
Route and departure:
1500Z: Route Overview
QIT G426 TBG UA321 SPP UG448 TADPO G448 MTH B9 DEEDS V35 RSW J41 SZW J73 LGC V243 HEFIN V321 GAD V541 HOBBI DCT
We'll fly the INTAG SID and join the airway G426 while climbing to our flight level: FL390! Our route first takes us to Tumaco city of Columbia and we'll follow the west cost of Columbia to the Panama. After crossing the Panama Canal we'll make our way up north via following the east coast of Central America. We'll cross over the Fidel's house before reaching the beaches of Miami, which would be a reasonable alternate in case of an engine failure or a pressurization problem. Along the east coast of Florida, we'll fly further north to Atlanta and cross over the city of Omaha and Phonix city. And finally, if all goes well and planned, we'll land to Huntsville after a flight of just a little over of 4:30 hours. And by the way, our takeoff alternate is Tachina (SETN); It has a long runway and best of all it's on the sea level, We'll take off below our MLW so weight won't be a problem.
Let's get going!
1550Z After Pushback, engines are started.
1553Z Taxying to rwy 35, everything works as they should.
Departure Briefing:
1555Z FMC Takeoff page
Alright Captain, it's briefing time. We're taking off from rwy 35, TOW is 297.4 tonnes and we're almost at our MTOW for this rwy, since we don't have any spare takeoff power, we are not derating today, this will be a full rated takeoff. Our speeds are V1: 135, Vr: 139 and V2 of 155 kts. I'll reduce the power to the climb thrust at 1500ft AFE and we'll accelerate at 3000ft AFE. I've put a speed restriction of 255kts until 17000ft which is the minimum holding alt for QIT Vor. This will allow us to make turns within specified turning radius and we'll not overshoot anything
1558Z The INTAG SID (RNAV)
INTAG SID is selected on the Departure page and QIT vor is tuned manually on BOX1. Transition alt. is 18000ft, ND is set at 10nm range and station mode enabled for stationary awareness. V2+10 kts set on MCP speed window and our final climb alt of 39000ft is set on MCP Alt window.
Now for the takeoff stuff, I'll abort for any caution below 100kts and after 100kts I'll only abort for an engine failure or a flight control problem. In case of an engine failure, we'll delay the climb power and acceleration until we reach to the safe altitude (21000), But no more than 5 mins of takeoff thrust. Then we'll level off and clean up the plane and request clearance for Tachina. All clear?
1559Z Still taxiing but almost there
1603Z After a few minutes holding at the rwy 35 holding point for a landing traffic, GTI606 is cleared for takeoff
1603Z Trying to save some rwy for takeoff
1604Z Lined up nicely, 400kgs of precious jet fuel is aready gone..
1604Z Still a little bit on the left side of the center line..
1604Z Ready for takeoff, the PFD, ND and EICAS view
1605Z At V1. 5000 foot marker, i.e. half way down on the rwy. We're a "go" now.
1605Z BLAST OFF!!!
1606Z Gear's still going up, center AP in command
1606Z Turning right to clear those mountains
* * *
Well that's about it. After the TOC, I went back and watch the game in HD, had a bud, a six pack actually . I hope you enjoyed the shots and the flight planning as much as I did, thank you for watching!
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PC Specs and used add-ons
X2-3800|2 Gigs|9600GT -> Smooth like silk.
FS9.1, SIM1 DLL Mod -> -400F taxies at idle thrust.
Active Sky 6.5
PMDG -400F -> Custom GPWS Rad. alt call outs, braking efficiency set at .55 to meet with TOPCAT estimates.
FSUIPC 3.75 -> Custom braking setup for smooth stops.
TOPCAT 2.26
FS Build 2.2 -> PMDG 744 Specific Aircraft Performance
Boris Forero's SEQU Scenery
and of course GC Pirep..
Yesterday I took the N409MC (a -400F) from KHSV (Huntsville, AL) to Quito, Ecuador. Flight was uneventful; the air was very smooth along the way and the approach and landing was by the book; a firm touchdown and slow deceleration. After the landing, ECAM checks showed the brakes are not fried and a walk around assured that there are no bent metal. We're still one piece, the Boss should be pleased.
So I grabbed the return flight too and in return of this "fictional charter" favor, I'd like to share some shots of the return trip and the data.
* * *
Let's start with some basic information and work from there. Our flight information package;
Flight No.: GTI606 Expire on: 2008-10-31 Payload: 134145
Tail # N409MC
Parcels & Fwd Freight 14 skids / Perishables 11 skids / Mfg'd goods 8 skids.
Shipper: UPS-SCS / DHL Global Fwdg.
2130nm. ***(Actual Atlas Flight)***
Our flight number is GTI606 and we're returning with the same ship that took us here. The payload figure seems rather high for Quito but we'll work on it. At least we don't have any weird stuff like live animals to take special care of in the back.
Let's check the weather and performance data for today's flight. First of our departure field;
SEQU 33010KT 9999 BKN040 BKN100 17/09 Q1025 NOSIG -> A lovely day at Quito. 17C Degrees, good visibility. Some clouds at 4000' above field elevation and winds are favoring the use of Rwy 35 for takeoff.
A quick check at TOPCAT gives the following performance data:
At 17C, our maximum takeoff weight is limited by 297.6 tonnes. Let's do some math:
165087kg Dry Operating Weight (Incl crew and the stuff) and 60847kg Planned Payload for this flight gives us a Zero Fuel Weight of 225.9 t, well below of our MZF..
Let's subtract our planned ZFW from MTOW and see how much fuel we could use; 297.6 - 225.9 = 71.7 tonnes of usable fuel load. Let's see if we can pull this of with 71.7 tonnes.
FSBuild Flight Plan Weight/Fuel stuff
I elected to use Birmingham (KBHM) as our destination alternate, as it seems the only field with a long rwy in close vicinity. So before our routing talk, it looks like we'll need 66.5 tonnes of fuel for this flight.
Let's add this figure on top of our planned ZFW; 225.9 + 66.5 = 292.4 tonnes. This will be our takeoff weight, very close to today's MTOW of 297.6 tonnes. It seems we're right on the edge, compliments to the Boss Let's check our arrival and alternate METARs and give the loadmaster a go.
Huntsville:
KHSV 09010KT 10SM FEW045 BKN100 OVC250 28/15 A3005 -> It looks like we'll practice a little crosswind landing, other than that there is nothing particularly needs attention. Let's take a look on our alternate:
Birmingham:
KBHM 05012KT 4SM -RA BR BKN020 22/21 A3001 -> A humid day; dewpoint close to the temprature so it's misty. Visibility is not too bad if we consider the situation, some clouds at 2000 feet AFE, making some summer rain. Not the greatest alternate but shouldn't be a problem. Anyway, we'll be checking it's progress as we make our way up north.
* * *
Finally, we give a thumbs up to the loadmaster and he starts doing his thing, our planned departure time is 1600Z.
1430Z: N409MC at Quito, loading is still in progress.
Route and departure:
1500Z: Route Overview
QIT G426 TBG UA321 SPP UG448 TADPO G448 MTH B9 DEEDS V35 RSW J41 SZW J73 LGC V243 HEFIN V321 GAD V541 HOBBI DCT
We'll fly the INTAG SID and join the airway G426 while climbing to our flight level: FL390! Our route first takes us to Tumaco city of Columbia and we'll follow the west cost of Columbia to the Panama. After crossing the Panama Canal we'll make our way up north via following the east coast of Central America. We'll cross over the Fidel's house before reaching the beaches of Miami, which would be a reasonable alternate in case of an engine failure or a pressurization problem. Along the east coast of Florida, we'll fly further north to Atlanta and cross over the city of Omaha and Phonix city. And finally, if all goes well and planned, we'll land to Huntsville after a flight of just a little over of 4:30 hours. And by the way, our takeoff alternate is Tachina (SETN); It has a long runway and best of all it's on the sea level, We'll take off below our MLW so weight won't be a problem.
Let's get going!
1550Z After Pushback, engines are started.
1553Z Taxying to rwy 35, everything works as they should.
Departure Briefing:
1555Z FMC Takeoff page
Alright Captain, it's briefing time. We're taking off from rwy 35, TOW is 297.4 tonnes and we're almost at our MTOW for this rwy, since we don't have any spare takeoff power, we are not derating today, this will be a full rated takeoff. Our speeds are V1: 135, Vr: 139 and V2 of 155 kts. I'll reduce the power to the climb thrust at 1500ft AFE and we'll accelerate at 3000ft AFE. I've put a speed restriction of 255kts until 17000ft which is the minimum holding alt for QIT Vor. This will allow us to make turns within specified turning radius and we'll not overshoot anything
1558Z The INTAG SID (RNAV)
INTAG SID is selected on the Departure page and QIT vor is tuned manually on BOX1. Transition alt. is 18000ft, ND is set at 10nm range and station mode enabled for stationary awareness. V2+10 kts set on MCP speed window and our final climb alt of 39000ft is set on MCP Alt window.
Now for the takeoff stuff, I'll abort for any caution below 100kts and after 100kts I'll only abort for an engine failure or a flight control problem. In case of an engine failure, we'll delay the climb power and acceleration until we reach to the safe altitude (21000), But no more than 5 mins of takeoff thrust. Then we'll level off and clean up the plane and request clearance for Tachina. All clear?
1559Z Still taxiing but almost there
1603Z After a few minutes holding at the rwy 35 holding point for a landing traffic, GTI606 is cleared for takeoff
1603Z Trying to save some rwy for takeoff
1604Z Lined up nicely, 400kgs of precious jet fuel is aready gone..
1604Z Still a little bit on the left side of the center line..
1604Z Ready for takeoff, the PFD, ND and EICAS view
1605Z At V1. 5000 foot marker, i.e. half way down on the rwy. We're a "go" now.
1605Z BLAST OFF!!!
1606Z Gear's still going up, center AP in command
1606Z Turning right to clear those mountains
* * *
Well that's about it. After the TOC, I went back and watch the game in HD, had a bud, a six pack actually . I hope you enjoyed the shots and the flight planning as much as I did, thank you for watching!
* * *
PC Specs and used add-ons
X2-3800|2 Gigs|9600GT -> Smooth like silk.
FS9.1, SIM1 DLL Mod -> -400F taxies at idle thrust.
Active Sky 6.5
PMDG -400F -> Custom GPWS Rad. alt call outs, braking efficiency set at .55 to meet with TOPCAT estimates.
FSUIPC 3.75 -> Custom braking setup for smooth stops.
TOPCAT 2.26
FS Build 2.2 -> PMDG 744 Specific Aircraft Performance
Boris Forero's SEQU Scenery
and of course GC Pirep..
Last edited by Maxthrust on Sat Aug 23, 2008 11:24 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Re: GTI606 - Flight Planning and Takeoff
What was your ending fuel? You shouldn't have been that close for that trip actually? You had plenty on your block in, are you using KG's for your weight? I noted you had 158535 on your cargo? Thats a bit more than I had assigned. I don't mind, but, it may be your cause for fuel comp problems tho...
Scratch that... I was looking at your trip down. Your trip back to KHSV isn't posted yet just FYI.
Scratch that... I was looking at your trip down. Your trip back to KHSV isn't posted yet just FYI.
Re: GTI606 - Flight Planning and Takeoff
N3438.2/W8646.5 341 DSC 080013 ATL
KHSV 012 DCT 338 250 253 00/02 04/53 KHSV/ 0437/... 0217/...
This was the last line on my navlog. Planned landing fuel was 21.7 t. But I ended up burning a little more than I planned and landed with 20.6 t. fuel onboard. Probably because of the head winds stronger than anticipated.
All the units are metric as my mind just can't switch to the imperial system. Payload was 134145 lbs or 60847 kgs. ZFW was 498000 lbs.
KHSV 012 DCT 338 250 253 00/02 04/53 KHSV/ 0437/... 0217/...
This was the last line on my navlog. Planned landing fuel was 21.7 t. But I ended up burning a little more than I planned and landed with 20.6 t. fuel onboard. Probably because of the head winds stronger than anticipated.
All the units are metric as my mind just can't switch to the imperial system. Payload was 134145 lbs or 60847 kgs. ZFW was 498000 lbs.
Re: GTI606 - Flight Planning and Takeoff
Ok, just couldn't figure out why things were running so close for you on the flight planning stage.
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Re: GTI606 - Flight Planning and Takeoff
make sure ur adding minimal fuel landing International flight should have an extra 24,000 on board for minimal fuel
Trip
Minimal
Contingency
ALT
Taxi fuel
When u land Considering no flight delays such as holding traffic saturation and such u should still have
RSV+Minimum fuel in your tanks
Contingency+ALT= RSV
If you land with less than 24,000 fuel on an International flight or 18,000 on a domestic flight than u messed up fuel planning some where
just my 2 cents
Trip
Minimal
Contingency
ALT
Taxi fuel
When u land Considering no flight delays such as holding traffic saturation and such u should still have
RSV+Minimum fuel in your tanks
Contingency+ALT= RSV
If you land with less than 24,000 fuel on an International flight or 18,000 on a domestic flight than u messed up fuel planning some where
just my 2 cents
Re: GTI606 - Flight Planning and Takeoff
Gosh, I just had a flashback from that guy on Radar Contact!!! Hi, this is Hal from FISDO, hear you had a problem with fuel? That guy drives me nuts! If you don't have Radar Contact, you won't know what I am talking about.
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Re: GTI606 - Flight Planning and Takeoff
I never leave the hotel without Radar Contact!! best program ever!!
and yeah i know what your talking about...
I hate holding for traffic or arrival closures but i def make sure i carry enough so i don't have to hear Hal B*ch
and yeah i know what your talking about...
I hate holding for traffic or arrival closures but i def make sure i carry enough so i don't have to hear Hal B*ch
Re: GTI606 - Flight Planning and Takeoff
- Jamal
I believe I had much more than the required minimum landing fuel. I've landed with 20.6 metric tonnes of fuel ( 45.400 lbs )
BTW - If we talk about the practical minimum landing fuel, it's just 14.3 tonnes ( 31.6k lbs ). If you wonder where's this figure coming from, It's the difference between your MLW and MZF. This is your margin when you have a full load and do not have to have an alternate field. If the destination weather is good, It works fine, you can pull up a full load if you plan your trip wisely. BTW - This is the way to win the longest trip competiton, and you should fly to east of course..
I've seen many (real life) flight reports with landing fuel just a little less than a 15.0 tonnes, of course they didn't had to have an alternate field or they'd be in trouble.
Anyway, I like to have at least three approach and go around ( two for destination and one for alternate ) fuel in my tanks before I see the BINGO figure on my EICAS. Fly safe!
Just my two loonies..
- Bryan
I don't have the Radar Contact so I hope I'm not missing anything, I do my short flights on VATSIM tho, and they don't like my english hehe
I believe I had much more than the required minimum landing fuel. I've landed with 20.6 metric tonnes of fuel ( 45.400 lbs )
BTW - If we talk about the practical minimum landing fuel, it's just 14.3 tonnes ( 31.6k lbs ). If you wonder where's this figure coming from, It's the difference between your MLW and MZF. This is your margin when you have a full load and do not have to have an alternate field. If the destination weather is good, It works fine, you can pull up a full load if you plan your trip wisely. BTW - This is the way to win the longest trip competiton, and you should fly to east of course..
I've seen many (real life) flight reports with landing fuel just a little less than a 15.0 tonnes, of course they didn't had to have an alternate field or they'd be in trouble.
Anyway, I like to have at least three approach and go around ( two for destination and one for alternate ) fuel in my tanks before I see the BINGO figure on my EICAS. Fly safe!
Just my two loonies..
- Bryan
I don't have the Radar Contact so I hope I'm not missing anything, I do my short flights on VATSIM tho, and they don't like my english hehe
Re: GTI606 - Flight Planning and Takeoff
- Bryan
I don't have the Radar Contact so I hope I'm not missing anything, I do my short flights on VATSIM tho, and they don't like my english hehe [/quote]
What your missing is Hal from FSDO, break your Altitude or any other misdemeanour and he,s all over you like a Rash.
I don't have the Radar Contact so I hope I'm not missing anything, I do my short flights on VATSIM tho, and they don't like my english hehe [/quote]
What your missing is Hal from FSDO, break your Altitude or any other misdemeanour and he,s all over you like a Rash.
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Re: GTI606 - Flight Planning and Takeoff
Sounds about right Minimal Fuel in tanks is not a figure set in stone there is no FAR that states how much fuel u must have in your tanks upon landing but u must meet your IFR fuel requirements and PART 121/135 fuel requirements for alternates and the such so...when it comes to minimal fuel u obviously got to take weight into consideration the high the value u set the less weight u can carry..The figure 24k (international) 18k (domestic) is take straight from the PMDG manual and it seems to work fine...when it comes to hauling freight you want to carry as much cargo as you can. so a smaller Minimal fuel value is not a bad thing just make sure u have enough fuel to like u said shoot a few approaches and than scramble else where or u might get a call from HALMaxthrust wrote:- Jamal
I believe I had much more than the required minimum landing fuel. I've landed with 20.6 metric tonnes of fuel ( 45.400 lbs )
BTW - If we talk about the practical minimum landing fuel, it's just 14.3 tonnes ( 31.6k lbs ). If you wonder where's this figure coming from, It's the difference between your MLW and MZF. This is your margin when you have a full load and do not have to have an alternate field. If the destination weather is good, It works fine, you can pull up a full load if you plan your trip wisely. BTW - This is the way to win the longest trip competiton, and you should fly to east of course..
I've seen many (real life) flight reports with landing fuel just a little less than a 15.0 tonnes, of course they didn't had to have an alternate field or they'd be in trouble.
Anyway, I like to have at least three approach and go around ( two for destination and one for alternate ) fuel in my tanks before I see the BINGO figure on my EICAS. Fly safe!
Just my two loonies..
- Bryan
I don't have the Radar Contact so I hope I'm not missing anything, I do my short flights on VATSIM tho, and they don't like my english hehe
-Mike
Radar contact is an awesome program i prefer it over VATSIM u should look into it!!
Re: GTI606 - Flight Planning and Takeoff
[quote="Jamal_Pratt"]make sure ur adding minimal fuel landing International flight should have an extra 24,000 on board for minimal fuel
Jamal,
I presume that is lbs. - not kilos??
John
Jamal,
I presume that is lbs. - not kilos??
John
Re: GTI606 - Flight Planning and Takeoff
Bozhan,
I just read your post, and I think it was a real good trip. You took the time to plan your flight, take some shots and publish all the stuff just here. I have to ask you if you have seen some of the documents made for GC events (Fly-ins)?, I want to see if you´re interested in GC events as coordination member? Please contact me via PM. I can show you some past GC fly-in (events) documents in pdf format. Thanks in advance.
I just read your post, and I think it was a real good trip. You took the time to plan your flight, take some shots and publish all the stuff just here. I have to ask you if you have seen some of the documents made for GC events (Fly-ins)?, I want to see if you´re interested in GC events as coordination member? Please contact me via PM. I can show you some past GC fly-in (events) documents in pdf format. Thanks in advance.
Re: GTI606 - Flight Planning and Takeoff
Javier, PM sent.
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Re: GTI606 - Flight Planning and Takeoff
Yeah speaking in LBSJohn Khan wrote:Jamal_Pratt wrote:make sure ur adding minimal fuel landing International flight should have an extra 24,000 on board for minimal fuel
Jamal,
I presume that is lbs. - not kilos??
John
Re: GTI606 - Flight Planning and Takeoff
Bozhan,
just a quick not about your wonderful detailled plan and flight.
....".... The autopilot is FAA certified to allow engagement at a minimum altitude of 250
feet. ...".... just be sure to follow this ... and Atlas Air is 500 feet ...
just my two cents...
Phil
just a quick not about your wonderful detailled plan and flight.
....".... The autopilot is FAA certified to allow engagement at a minimum altitude of 250
feet. ...".... just be sure to follow this ... and Atlas Air is 500 feet ...
just my two cents...
Phil