Longest flight?

[yoni63]

I agree with Luc, it should be similar to Justin's flight especially the 1X simulation rate. I was checking over some of the pireps and was noticing that there are quite a few that fly ONLY 4X sim rate. Kind of takes the realism out of the sim.

[Erica Benedikty]

Interesting challenge! I suggest we set some rules like:

Minimum cargo: 40,000lbs?
Minimum landing fuel: 19,000lbs?
Time x 1 only?
How shld we measure the distance flown, flight plan or direct gps from A to B?

Please Justin...

Luc

I agree,

1. I believe we should be carring the minimum cargo that Polar would let that flight take off with (I think around 100,000lbs?)
2. It should be a flight plan,stars-sids etc., not a direct route (just my thought).
3. Min. landing fuel (or very close to seeing as we are pushing the limits).
4. MUST be 1x.
5. I think maybe online too, but that's flexable. I'm not sure if everyone here flies online.

Just my thoughts. I might try mine On Saturday.

[yoni63]

Well.... You might want to think a bit on that amount of cargo. After all, Polar probably wouldn't set out to do this in the real world, and if they did, I doubt they would carry 100K of skids. I do agree with you on on the weight on regular flights tho.. I have seen a few carrying about half as much as a 722 would be carrying. But on this flight, you might want to lighten up on load. Plus your route of flight Justin can really give you some pointers on this as he had a few issues during his flight I believe.

[khelm]

Well.... You might want to think a bit on that amount of cargo. After all, Polar probably wouldn't set out to do this in the real world, and if they did, I doubt they would carry 100K of skids. I do agree with you on on the weight on regular flights tho.. I have seen a few carrying about half as much as a 722 would be carrying. But on this flight, you might want to lighten up on load. Plus your route of flight Justin can really give you some pointers on this as he had a few issues during his flight I believe.

Could the 744 even make it that distance with 100k of pallets? Seems when I do that on a flight from RJAA to KORD I have to lighten the load to like 75000lbs to keep it legal.

[yoni63]

Kevin, best way to compute that is simply punch numbers into the FMC until you get the max then work back to your legal limits and just see.

[khelm]

Kevin, best way to compute that is simply punch numbers into the FMC until you get the max then work back to your legal limits and just see.

Yeah, that's what I do, and even with max fuel, and trying to land with a min of 16K's of fuel, I have to lower the load WAY down. I even try using optimum altitude for cruise, and somehow I still can only carry like 45000lbs of stuff.

It may actually be ORD-NRT I'm thinking of, since then I have headwinds going there, I don't remember. I'll find out tomorrow when I fly NRT-ORD.

[Eugenio Leal/1878]

This is a very cool challenge and I want in,

I agree with the proposed rules but I will take sometime due to the fact that I'm moving to Mexico City in the next weeks and my schedule is a bit hectic at the moment, I don't even think that I'll have internet in my first weeks in my new place,


Let me move to Mexico city and then I'll crunch up some numbers, look up some weather charts and I'll get back to you guys with my proposed route.


Happy Landings!

[yoni63]

Don't forget, when Justin did this, he had to literally plan a "strategy" for taxi time, take off, climb out, etc etc. Every aspect of flight planning on this type of flight is just as important as the least if that makes sense. A poorly planned climb out may be the difference in a few thousand pounds of fuel. Like I said, there's more to this than one would initially think on such a long route.

[Eugenio Leal/1878]

Don't forget, when Justin did this, he had to literally plan a "strategy" for taxi time, take off, climb out, etc etc. Every aspect of flight planning on this type of flight is just as important as the least if that makes sense. A poorly planned climb out may be the difference in a few thousand pounds of fuel. Like I said, there's more to this than one would initially think on such a long route.

I know, and that's what makes it a very exciting challenge!


It's also great flight planning practice,


I'm really into it!

[nwadc10]

I'll throw in some official rules here (in the format of Erica's post)...

1. Minimum Cargo: 48000 lbs ( this is above the cargo on my original flight and therefore disqualifies that flight. I plan a new attempt along with the rest of you)
2. Distance to be determined by: Flight Plan route (not straight-line)
3. Minimum landing fuel: per GC Pilot Manual...yes, I'm going to make you look it up
4. Maximum sim rate: 1x...let's get serious about this record
5. Online not required but would be good publicity for the VA if operated online.
6. Use real world weather...whether VATSIM, ActiveSky, or default FS weather it must be real world to make all entries valid and objective.

I'll keep a window of a couple weeks open to accomplish your attempt and submit your flight. You can make several attempts and post your best here if you wish. However, keep in mind the max hours you can fly in a 7 day period per the FAR's. I'll give a week notice before ending the competition. At the completion we'll determine the best performance and issue a certificate honoring the record.

Fly safe!

[chevol]

I had a go but I am already disqualified (Only 48,000lbs cargo). Never mind, it was a very interesting flight and it is not easy at all. I used a FP produced out of FSBuild (Northern Canada, Resolute, Greenland, Thule, Iceland etc.). Both fuel and time predictions were very accurate. The weather came from Active Sky but I had (occasionally) to switch to Vatsim weather because of some very strange and unreal winds. Topcat gave me the parameters to derate my take off. I stayed on Vatsim most of the time.

I waisted fuel on taxi out (using 2 engines made me burn more) and I also waisted a few thds lbs going too high too quickly. It is a very tricky game!

Thanks to Bryan for setting the charter flight so quickly.

Cheers


====== Fuel Summary ======
Out: 361125 (163804 Kg)
Off: 357148 (162000 Kg)
On: 15026 (6816 Kg)
In: 14081 (6387 Kg)
Taxi Out: 3977 (1804 Kg)
Burn: 342122 (155184 Kg)
Taxi In: 945 (429 Kg)
Total Fuel: 347044 (157417 Kg)

======= Time Summary (Zulu) =======
Out: 12:06
Off: 12:18
On: 04:28
In: 04:34
Total Time: 16:28

====== Misc. Data ======
Max Sim Rate: 1
Touchdown Rate: -96
Distance: 7243
Stall Warning Activated: No
Overspeed Warning Activated: No

[nwadc10]

Tell you what Luc, that's what I was afraid of when posting the parameters so late in the conversation. I'll drop the min cargo to 48000 lbs so your flight is counted. Also, please post the flight plan distance from your FSBuild flight plan. The distance reported in GCP is straight-line.

[chevol]

Thanks Boss... Here is my FP. In FSBuild the distance is 7,656nm. Round it up to 7,550nm since I took 2 small short cuts

PHNL PALAY2 BITTA 28N54 33N52 37N51 42N49 47N47 52N44 56N41 COALE B38 XY AR26 ZFA 66N28 YPC AR14 HI 74N07 7692N SINVU BGTL THT 7447N 7032N 6624N BIKF SKARD G3 VALDI UP613 VES UP992 LBE UL619 BKD UM748 HDO UM725 KOMUR UM748 BERVA UP974 TABIN UL616 KEROP UP192 NEPOS UL617 VAGEN UN128 RAXAD UL617 MAKED ABLON1B LGAV

Luc

[Maxthrust]

Topcat gave me the parameters to derate my take off.

You have to use full thrust takeoff/climb to win this kind of competition. Reduced thrust takeoffs and climbs are actually increase the overall climb burn. I also suggest using a CI of 160 and a cruise alt of no more than 1000ft of fmc computed econ alt.

[Erica Benedikty]

This is gonna be a hard one too beat. I think we will all end up very close to each other's fligths. So much fun, I have my top people working on a flight plan for me as we speak! hehehehe. I'm doing a flight right now to test out our new video card to see how fs works. Sometime this week I will fly my long haul.