Flap Position for Take Off

[John Khan]

It's difficult, but I'm not saying a thing about tools....Louis over to you.....

John

[jcwaugh747]

It's difficult, but I'm not saying a thing about tools....Louis over to you.....

John

Fair dinkum!

[esurfman]

It's difficult, but I'm not saying a thing about tools....Louis over to you.....

John

I guess I would have to say I have the equivalent of flaps 30... shorter approach and quick but beautiful final.

[John Khan]

As we say down here......**k'noath

[dodougla]

Another note about landing flaps-- For landing, Flap 25 gives you an easier transition to a go around climb-- this is why it is used so much for engine out/abnormal procedures.

On a go-around/missed approach, you actually go to Flap 20 as rapidly as possible to reduce drag. A standard call is "Go Around. Flap 20" said while the PF is pressing the GA switch. The PNF selects Flap 20. (Boeing actually put a mechanical stop on the flap lever to facilitate doing this "blind" or in a hurry. You raise the lever til it hits the stop and let it go and it's in Flap 20!)

The MD-11 is similar in that many operator's "standard" landings are at Flap 35, and they only use Flap 50 when they need it.

Don
(I'm new)

[John Khan]

Thanks Don for that information.

First a big welcome to GC.

A lot of us here are always interested in real life information and althought the flightsims are sometimes a bit limited in what they can simulate, it is good to know and try these procedures.

One of the things I have tried a bit is the control of the speed on finals with the nose angle and the rate of descent with the power. Many of us, I'm sure, have noticed the flightsims don't seem to be able to do this, they control the speed with the power and the rate of descent with the nose angle.

John

[dodougla]

A word of warning-- only use less than full flaps for landing when your performance allows it. I just brought an MD-11 into Baltimore at a rather heavy GLW-- my 35 flap Vref was right at 160 and a 2 kt tailwind combined with a slightly high approach resulted in fast touchdown after a good bit of float. I had planned Min autobrakes from the TOPCAT but that plan changed as the runway was going by fast. Reversers were already out and I jumped on the manual brakes and turned off at the end... And watched my brake temps soar as I taxied in.

Next time I will:
1. Examine the Vapp and Vref more closely for both 35 and 50 flaps
2. Hit that go around switch the next time I float off like that...

Semper Gumby... Always flexible
Don