Earthquake relief flights?

Murray_1167 · Post by **Murray_1167** » Thu Dec 30, 2004 12:24 am

"<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(nharwood @ Dec 29 2004, 09:11 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>Murray you seem to respect a tragic loss of life through strict and quiet reverence while Tsuru is respecting the same through honorable action and remembrance. [right][snapback]2633[/snapback][/right] </div> Hi Nathan: I respectively disagree with your acessment of how I deal with tragic loss. You do not know me accept for this post. I (all of us) are much more complex and it would take you years to understand me and I you (or anyone). I am simply trying to say, that what we do as a hobby, is ""play"" a game. We can try to make it ""as real"" as our collective minds can imagine, but in the end it is not real. The tragic and horrifying events that occur in the world each day, should not be used as an excuse to ""play"". Perhaps the point I made about being part of the actual disaster and it's ""real"" effect on those envolved did not leave the impression I was attempting to convey. But, this is a forum of words... where emotions are hard to relate. Anyway, I will say no more on the subject lest my meaning be misunderstood. As I said above... my intent is and never was meant to be offensive. Happy New Year All! "

nharwood · Post by **nharwood** » Thu Dec 30, 2004 3:34 am

"You're right, I don't know you. I guess I was just trying to bring everyone together. But I'll give up now too."

Tsuru · Post by **Tsuru** » Thu Dec 30, 2004 5:15 am

"<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Murray_1167 @ Dec 29 2004, 11:48 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>[...] NONE of what I have said should be taken as an attack on anyone and what they believe in. I am not God. I am NOT your judge. I don't even know any of you. I assume none of you are judgeing me, for the same reason. [...] [right][snapback]2632[/snapback][/right] </div>All good and well, but this is exactly the opposite of what you did in your first reply. I understand where you are coming from, but being a little more consistent wouldn't hurt, I think. Because first you do one thing, and then you say another. If you really did mean not to judge I think you wouldn't have replied to this thread in the first place [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif[/img] I am with Nathan on this issue... we all have our own convictions and ways of dealing with such a tragedy, and this should be respected mutually."

globecar · Post by **globecar** » Thu Dec 30, 2004 12:10 pm

"There are a lot of mixed feelings from everyone on this topic but the team here at Globe Cargo is fairly consistent. We are a simulated cargo hauler doing simulated flights but in this case at this time, we will refrain from any simulated disaster relief flights into the areas in question. This is not saying that at some time in the future we will not arrange some simulated cargo flights into these areas hauling building and construction materials but certainly not in the immediate future."

Murray_1167 · Post by **Murray_1167** » Thu Dec 30, 2004 7:04 pm

"<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tsuru @ Dec 30 2004, 06:15 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'>All good and well, but this is exactly the opposite of what you did in your first reply. I understand where you are coming from, but being a little more consistent wouldn't hurt, I think. Because first you do one thing, and then you say another. If you really did mean not to judge I think you wouldn't have replied to this thread in the first place [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif[/img] I am with Nathan on this issue... we all have our own convictions and ways of dealing with such a tragedy, and this should be respected mutually. [right][snapback]2636[/snapback][/right] </div> Your feelings have been hurt. That is obvious. Because of this you are attempting to find fault with others by reading ONLY what you want to read. The fact that I said your idea was in bad taste is not an insult. It is my opinion of an idea that equates disaster with a game (role playing). If you disagree with my opinion, that is perfectly within your rights. But please do not try and find fault in me and what YOU believe I said. DO NOT be insulted. That IS NOT my intent for I am NOT your judge. I can not make this any clearer. By the way, it may interest you to know that I am a rather mature person of 47 years. I have been to many places, I have worked with substance abusers, I presently work with the homeless (or soon to be homeless). Perhaps my age and the pain I see on a daily bases has made me too sensitive. I realize that the trend today is towards dispassion, and perhaps that is not such a bad thing if it helps one to deal with pain. I am of the old school and will probably not change. Like an old dog, I am set in my ways. May peace and the comfort it brings, fill your hearts and lives always my friends. "

globecar · Post by **globecar** » Thu Dec 30, 2004 9:05 pm

We will have enough to keep us busy. We need another run down to Cuba for cigars and then swing over to Jamaica for some rum. Lets get someone working on a flight. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif[/img]

Murray_1167 · Post by **Murray_1167** » Fri Dec 31, 2004 6:25 pm

"<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(globecar @ Dec 30 2004, 10:05 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>We will have enough to keep us busy. We need another run down to Cuba for cigars and then swing over to Jamaica for some rum. Lets get someone working on a flight. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif[/img] [right][snapback]2651[/snapback][/right] </div> How about some rum from Nassau, Bahamas (Barcardi). My sister lives there and she owns a hotel. I might be able to persuade her into giving Globe Cargo pilots a discounted rate! [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif[/img]"

globecar · Post by **globecar** » Sat Jan 01, 2005 3:06 am

Give her a call Murray and see what she will do for the crews.

Speedbird9 · Post by **Speedbird9** » Sun Jan 02, 2005 1:09 am

"<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(globecar @ Dec 30 2004, 04:10 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>There are a lot of mixed feelings from everyone on this topic but the team here at Globe Cargo is fairly consistent. We are a simulated cargo hauler doing simulated flights but in this case at this time, we will refrain from any simulated disaster relief flights into the areas in question. This is not saying that at some time in the future we will not arrange some simulated cargo flights into these areas hauling building and construction materials but certainly not in the immediate future. [right][snapback]2638[/snapback][/right] </div> Well done Globe Cargo team, Murray and Barry - you have gone up in my estimation (for what it's worth, not a lot in the grand scheme of things). Michael"

Murray_1167 · Post by **Murray_1167** » Sun Jan 02, 2005 3:52 pm

"<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Speedbird9 @ Jan 2 2005, 02:09 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'>Well done Globe Cargo team, Murray and Barry - you have gone up in my estimation (for what it's worth, not a lot in the grand scheme of things). Michael [right][snapback]2667[/snapback][/right] </div> All of us are as important as the other. What you believe, think, and feel is just as important in the grand scheme of things. We as people would tend not to notice a single drop falling into a bucket, but we can't avoid noticeing the bucket as it fills with many single drops and overflows. Although I appreciate your comments Michael, I would have to say that I was simply conveying my thoughts; and as such, was not being noble. In actual fact, I suppose I was being selfish. I am after all just as human (good or bad) as the next person. All we can do is try! Although it is not my place to say, perhaps this thread is best ended now. Obviously just a suggestion and not an order! I don't think that anyone meant any harm. We were just expressing our thoughts. That can never be wrong. "

_ags_ · Post by **_ags_** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 4:52 pm

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