Relief flights

Mike Bridge · Post by **Mike Bridge** » Sat May 10, 2008 8:24 pm

Are we doing any relief flights to Bruma ??

They are estimating over 30 000 dead from Hurricanes last week.
We could fly to their closest neighbours Thailand if vatsim wont allow us into Burma direct.

Marines and Aid agencies are all basing at thailand.

Just a thought

Regards

mlegein · Post by **mlegein** » Sat May 10, 2008 8:40 pm

Can't fly into Myanmar, so it would have to be Thailand.

yoni63 · Post by **yoni63** » Sat May 10, 2008 9:13 pm

I have no problem myself with setting up some flights to go. A while back a few had said it was not cool to do that with real life disaster. Personally, I don't see what it hurts, it's not in bad taste or making light of it. Also, last time I did that nobody took them.

Just let me know.

khelm · Post by **khelm** » Sat May 10, 2008 10:16 pm

I'll do some.

Why would someone think its in bad taste?

Post by **thansson** » Sat May 10, 2008 10:21 pm

vUSAF is setting up for a relief effort right now. They do this for hurricanes, tornadoes, cyclones. Just a small way we all can contribute and feel like we do something - even if it is only in the "virtual" world!

yoni63 · Post by **yoni63** » Sat May 10, 2008 11:12 pm

khelm wrote:I'll do some.

Why would someone think its in bad taste?

Not sure, just remember some talk about it a while back. Before I was Atlas Manager, I read a post in regard to this. Like I said, as long as everyone is ok with it, I'll come up with some and get them posted.

If I don't hear anything by in the morning, I'll post them.

yoni63 · Post by **yoni63** » Sun May 11, 2008 12:23 am

mlegein wrote:Can't fly into Myanmar, so it would have to be Thailand.

Michel, how come we can't fly into the country? Mandalay International has a 14000 foot runway? Or is it something else?

Mike Bridge · Post by **Mike Bridge** » Sun May 11, 2008 3:23 am

Michel, how come we can't fly into the country? Mandalay International has a 14000 foot runway? Or is it something else?

Might be because of Vatsim rules....
Even tho i dont think it is in bad tatse.

Plus only one C-130 from USAF has been allowed in so far.
Army controls the country, so they want to save face and disturb Aid and supplies so it looks like to the people
they are saving them.
Thats why all aid workers are in Thailand and all Aid is there also waiting for the go ahead to go in.
It is a joke!

Brogs · Post by **Brogs** » Sun May 11, 2008 6:37 am

Mike Bridge wrote:
Michel, how come we can't fly into the country? Mandalay International has a 14000 foot runway? Or is it something else?
Might be because of Vatsim rules....
Even tho i dont think it is in bad tatse.

Plus only one C-130 from USAF has been allowed in so far.
Army controls the country, so they want to save face and disturb Aid and supplies so it looks like to the people
they are saving them.
Thats why all aid workers are in Thailand and all Aid is there also waiting for the go ahead to go in.
It is a joke!

Its a Joke in very bad taste, upto press the Junta in Burma "I refuse to call it Myanmar" have impounded the Supplies that have made it into the Country, all you can see on State Television is Propaganda Shows encouraging the Population to to vote in the Referendum on the New Constitution , which incredibly is still going ahead and Pictures of the Army Generals distributing the impounded Aid to smiling Burmese people, obviously relatives of the Military etc, while in reaity there are Bodies everywhere in the Countryside and Starving Peasants , if ever there was a case of this joke of a UN using Force to save peoples lives ,this is it ! but they will just carry on mouthing Platitudes meanwhile thousands of more people will die unnecessarily. As for the "Relief Flights " do them if you wish ,but to me its like sending them a Virtual Check! its meaningless except for us to have some "fun" pretending we are helping !!

GTI1643 · Post by **GTI1643** » Sun May 11, 2008 10:23 am

I think its a great gesture to do those flights....great way to show that we have this tragic event in mind and that we would want to help....for any kind of real donation to be made, it would be more meaningful for the entire vatsim community to take part in that. However given the fact that not even food and basic supplies can get in there freely, who know where those donations will go...... just my thought, but nice gesture Peter...

yoni63 · Post by **yoni63** » Sun May 11, 2008 11:14 am

Ok, I have set up one flight at this time. Its GTI 100, 747-200, appropriate tail number is posted. Lets see how this goes before we jump in and post too many. If one or two are interested, I'll post for you, but if the flights sit there, they will be deleted.

FYI, these are 4000 plus NM flights. Seems the flights that have been allowed into the country are from France, so that is where we can fly from.

UPDATE: Also looks like flights are going to start from Italy as well. Looks like fuel on the way out could be an issue... We can simulate a short hop to another location for refueling before the return trip, or we can just forget that part, I'll leave it up to the guys that are wanting to fly these routes. But there will be either return trips posted, or maybe a trip to a closer location for resupply, then a return back to the disaster area. Feel free to post your feedback on your desires, but keep in mind, I want to keep things as realistic as possible. ie: return trips. The aircraft won't be automatically placed back in Italy or France, or to another location for re-supply, they have to be flown there.

Sorry, one more update: Since supplies are being stockpiled in Thailand, we can also fly out of there once we deliver the initial drops out of France and Italy.

Reports indicate that the runway at Yangon is now 11,200' but may be 8100' in FS9. If this is going to be an issue, simply make your flight for Mandalay as it has a 14k' runway. Just be sure and let me know so I can make adjustments. Also, flights though limited, are being allowed in... Its the workers that are being refused entry into the country.

khelm · Post by **khelm** » Sun May 11, 2008 12:26 pm

Thanks Bryan!

I just picked it up. Will be flying it tomorrow. Just got to find a way from RKSI to LFPG...

yoni63 · Post by **yoni63** » Sun May 11, 2008 12:38 pm

Unfortunately I have nothing going there from RKSI and its a bit far for a ferry flight. Jump on a commercial hop.

khelm · Post by **khelm** » Sun May 11, 2008 12:48 pm

Will do, say, whats Korean Air's number again? Do we have jump seat privileges with them?

If not its gonna cost a purdy penny to fly there. Oh well, I'm helping people so its worth it.

yoni63 · Post by **yoni63** » Sun May 11, 2008 12:58 pm

I think it's 1-800 Wee-FWYU

, and since we have done business with them in the past, I am sure you can jump seat pretty easy.

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